And am I not your mother?
“It is my birthright.”
Film Meme: directors (7/7)
It’s important for little girls to know not every story has to be a love story and for boys to know that soldiers aren’t the only ones to triumph in war. - Guillermo del Toro
#the neverending struggle to put into words#how fucking important del toro’s work is to me#from the early stuff [chronos & mimic] the grotesque hybrid-horror full of pestilence and insects and invaded bodies#to the dark anarchic subversions of superhero films starring monsters [hellboy & blade ii]#to bitter gothic satire [el espinazo del diablo]#to the terrible & beautiful shadow-fairytales [hellboy ii & pan’s labyrinth]#[& that strange action blockbuster which was wonderful but lacking in exquisite grotesquerie]#he’s just#one of the greatest living directors#with the most awful and enchanting and macabre imagination#with the utmost respect for darkness of every kind#but not at the expense of heart and love and survival and kindness (via elucipher)
"Four, five, six…subtle, guys. Real subtle."
"Are you shitting me? Covert ops, my Irish grandmother. This is why you people lost in ‘Nam."
"Really? With the budging in behind me, and the whole goon squad? I am going to kick everybody’s ass on general principle."
Thor (liveblog) [x]
I am actually on the side of those who think that Loki never intended for it to go this far, I think that’s fairly clear in the text of the movie, when you look at the way he seems genuinely surprised that Thor’s being banished (despite that no one’s looking at him, so there’s no need to act, and Loki is kind of S H I T at hiding his true feelings anyway) and he tries to step in and speak on Thor’s behalf.
To me, that also screams of a kid who was used to trying to talk his way out of the shit he did, out of the shit he did with Thor, that Loki was trying to explain for both of them, because he never wanted it to go this far. His greater point was to prove that Thor wasn’t yet ready, that he needed more time (and maybe a little petty revenge, just to get Thor in trouble), I don’t think he ever expected to actually get to Jotunheim, but instead that they would be stopped before then and Odin would see that Thor WOULD storm off to Jotunheim or whatever other rash action Thor took.
Loki tries the once to step in and stop this, to try to explain it, but I’m sure he’s done that a thousand times before and Odin’s not having it because there’s nothing to defend Thor’s actions, because he’s just so furious with Thor right now that he’d snap at anyone who tried to interfere. Which is NOT to say that Loki is innocent in this, he got those two guards killed with his plans and never seems to feel badly about that.
But getting Thor banished? No, nobody in the movie lays that on Loki, like, ever. Fandom sometimes does, but the movie characters themselves do not, they all recognize that, whatever other shitty things Loki has done, the ways he endangered Asgard for his own reasons, he was not responsible for Thor’s banishment. (Aside from I guess you could make the case that Sif+W3 sort of did, but really they blamed him more for not trying to undo it, more than they blamed him for causing it, iirc. They thought him taking advantage of the situation, rather than that he should be responsible for Thor’s banishment.)
He wanted to get Thor in trouble, he did it because he saw Thor was not yet ready (and because he’s a little shit of a brother, that’s what they do), and those things are absolutely true, just as much as it’s true that he spiraled off into dark places and he decided (well, the brain weasels decided) that he had to be king of Asgard to be worthwhile and is not actually fit to be a ruler because he’s too wrapped up in his own pain and doesn’t actually care about more than a handful of people and doesn’t have the strength of self to be a good ruler or for the throne to be good for Loki, no matter what he thinks he wants. (I say this with love and interest in his character, btw! This is something I find that makes Loki more interesting, rather than less!)
But the thing is also that he doesn’t usurp the throne, he doesn’t steal or trick his way into it, he opens up a door for Thor to walk through, but Thor himself is the one that chose to go to Jotunheim, and then Loki was completely valid in being in line for the throne.
There is a whole lot of NO THIS ISN’T HOW IT WAS SUPPOSED TO GO panic here that’s very legitimate, just as it’s legitimate that he sees an opportunity and his brain weasels demand that he jump on the chance. Loki is someone who seems very susceptible to his world being turned upside down, that he tailspins whenever one of the anchors of his life are ripped away from him. Just as Thor is an anchor himself, when he loses people he loves, when he loses his home or his title or his godhood, he works through it, but Loki loses the anchor that is his brother, he loses his sense of self, and he goes into a horrible spiral over it.
The surprise on his face is real, I don’t think he even wanted this, I don’t think Loki ever really wanted Thor dead or gone from Asgard, I think Thor was one of the anchor points that Loki built his emotional well-being on, even as much as he was often resentful of Thor and the loss of his big brother really did not help Loki at all. It’s more complicated than that, there’s so much about Loki’s desperation to prove himself in this window of time while Thor’s gone, so he tries to keep the window open longer, but I honestly believe that Loki has no concept of real loss (hence why he loses it so hard when Frigga dies in TDW) or any intention to rid his life of Thor.
I think he always looked at Thor as larger than life, that even when he’s banished and made mortal, Loki still thinks of him as this impossible to defeat mountain, that nothing can actually stop Thor. So, dealing with the initial shock of Thor being banished, being gone from Asgard leaves him in a state of “oh shit what do I do now????” that leaves him open to some pretty nasty paranoid imprintings that he takes away from this scene.
Thor (liveblog) [x]
One of the major themes of this movie is the idea of being worthy and this is tied up in both Thor and Loki’s stories, which is why Loki’s look here is so significant for me. This isn’t someone who is happy about what’s happening here, but it is someone who just listened to his father call Thor unworthy of all that he had, who just saw Thor banished, who is in a panicky sort of spiral about everything that’s happening (what happened on Jotunheim, what’s happening in Asgard) and so he latches onto the idea here, that there’s a way to prove that one is worthy.
Loki is in a tailspin right now, so the idea of having a tangible object to grab onto to prove his worthiness, a way to have an objective measure of that, rather than just grasping desperately in the dark, is one he imprints on super hard in this moment. He hears Odin lay the enchantment on the hammer, he sees this opportunity opening up before him to prove his worth (and therefore he’s not worthless he’s not cursed he’s not maybe a monster), and he grabs onto it because that’s the only thing he can think to do in this shitstorm.
The story of this movie is about Thor learning to be truly worthy of not just the hammer, but of the people he loves and the kingdom that will one day be his, the realms that he’s meant to protect. At the same time, this movie is about Loki struggling to prove himself worthy and finding all the wrong ways to go about it, so that the two stories are contrasted against each other.
Thor finds strength in himself, Loki tries to find strength through things, through the throne, through the hammer, through killing all of Jotunheim. Thor stops trying to prove himself and instead works to do the right thing for the situation. Loki desperately tries to grab onto what he thinks will show him to be a true son of Asgard and it all blows up in his face.
Loki is a mess, but that’s what makes me love him, because he feels everything so desperately and that drives him to these maddened attempts at what he thinks will gain him acceptance. When I see that look on his face in the bottom cap, I don’t see someone evil plotting and scheming to take over Asgard or to hurt his brother. I see someone who is crumbling inside and latches onto an idea that will be a disaster, but he honestly sees as the only way out of this—to use this chance to show himself worthy and worthwhile so that they’ll continue to love him, so that he can continue to love himself (which Loki has trouble with), all while doing it through then lens of what he thinks makes Thor worthy.
The reason why the room was pink was because on black and white film, hues of red become dark shades of black. Pink is the perfect balance to give it that dark creepy grey.
A related fun fact: while old black and white film was under-sensitive to reds, it was correspondingly over-sensitive to greens. Actors whose characters were meant to have unnaturally pale complexions - like Morticia Addams - would often take advantage of this by wearing makeup with a green base tint in order to make their faces “pop”. This is where the modern trope of cartoon vampires having green skin comes from.
These are some fun fucking facts
That was actually a combination of me and the visual effects supervisor and the production designer sitting down and sort of coming up with the biological growth that’s growing all over the cars and what that looks like and the color palette. And we started to look at the nuclear test films from the 1940s of the nuclear blasts and just decided that it would be great if the landscape was not only violent with these creatures, but also the atmosphere. So we decided that it was kind of an eternal nuclear blast except nothing ever really gets obliterated because it’s eternal and it’s constantly going. - director Francis Lawrence on the appearance of Hell; P.D. by Naomi Shohan